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benefits. we have asked experts to join us for a fiscal cliff roundtable discussion, if you will. ron brownstein is a senior -- cnn senior political analyst and editorial director of the national journal and stephen moore, senior economics writer at the "wall street journal" and is in washington, d.c. first up, ron, will, do you think, these politicians reach a deal or not and why or why not? >> the fiscal cliff was yeelted as a doomsday machine to try to give them more will power to do what they can't do on their own, to reach a deal. the reason all of this was here, incentive to reach a deal, some of your guests pointed out during the day, a lot can go wrong when you leave is it to this late, a little little surprising to me republicans don't feel urgency, talk about this in a minute, maybe, the wolf on the other side of the cliff, difficult for both sides, the country is worse for the republicans than the democrats. it's possible they make a deal, possible they go over, no more precision than that. >> are we thelma and luiz, rocketing towards that canyon? >> took the words out of m
presidential candidate? for now, we turn to david corn of mother jones and ron reagan, an msnbc political analyst joining me. i want to start with ron. why would they want to change the ee lk tolectoral state like pennsylvania? why would they do that? >> well, i think the republicans have examined the playing field as it were and through long and bitter experience they have come to the conclusion that is it is very difficult for them to win on a national level unless they cheat. so they are going to cheat any way that they can. we saw it in the vote suppression. that didn't work out so well. so let's just change systemically the way we change the votes and in states like pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, florida, like that, these are the battleground states that we need to win and we're narrowly losing them now so let's at least try to get some of the electoral college votes out of this and tip the election. >> ron, you know why he's with him? it's not about the voter suppression. the 60 some counties that always go republican, they can't stand the fact that philadelphia and pittsburgh, large
, and lara are all off. we're so glad to welcome dan abrams, ron claiborne and rachel smith. >>> we have a big news cycle happening on this last did of 2012. not only the fiscal cliff, but secretary of state hillary clinton in the hospital. we'll get to that in just a moment. a diagnosis of a blood clot. but some questions still remaining. >>> we have some weather stories, including the latest on this horrific tour bus crash on an icy highway in oregon. it was packed full of tourists. and it skidded off the road, leaving nine dead, many more injured. >>> and the live shot from new york presbyterian hospital where secretary of state hillary clinton is being cared for right now. abc's martha raddatz has the latest on her condition. martha, good morning. >> reporter: the secretary has not been seen in public since early december after an illness and then a fall. but this is the first time she's landed in the hospital. >> probably a good idea to -- >> reporter: on sunday, secretary clinton was admitted to new york presbyterian hospital for treatment of a blood clot. according to the state de
to the fiscal cliff. from "thew bid frittle bit washington times." this is ron from louisiana. caller: good morning. host: who wish to nominate? -- who would you'll nominate? caller: obama. host: what makes him your hero? caller: we were on a major slide when he came into office. he save the automobile and got osama bin laden. he did everything even though the gop did nothing but filibuster. every proposal he has made. the economy is still growing even though everything that has been put against him. host: are there other heroes you look to beside the president? caller: this year i believe he should be the star for what he has gone up against. he was trying to do a reasonable -- get a compromise and the gop was saying their way or nothing . it is costing the nation. host: thank you very much. this comes from twitter. host: i next call is on the independent line. good morning. caller: the bartender that took the videotape of mr. romney talking about the 47%. he showed an insight into the candidate. host: why is he a hero? caller: he had the courage to share with others. host: anybody else in
bernstein, and ron insana. you heard the speaker and his comments moments ago. this is good for the president, the jobs report, no doubt. he can argue that, my policies have been working, better tax hikes for the upper 2%, more amenable because the economy is coming along. how do democrats leverage this in the key cliff negotiations going on? >> i think the key point is that there is some momentum in the jobs report. the labor market diminished a little bit in december. that's why the unemployment rate fell down, not because of extra jobs. but all told, especially expecting sandy's damage, it was a pretty good report and it shows that there's some und underlying momentum. the argument from the president or from anyone who cares are this economic recovery, it would be a crazy time to throw a monkey wrench at an ongoing recovery that has a little bit of momentum. >> ron, to you on this. talking about sandy, there seems to be a lack of sandy effect as some had thought initially. we see a pullback, a little less than half of a percent. we have positive indications there that say
victims of the newtown, connecticut shooting. nbc's ron mott is live in newtown this morning on a somber and sad day for connecticut and the nation. ron? >> hey there, chris. good morning. obviously a very somber day here as you mentioned in connecticut. across this country as the 26 people who lost their lives last friday were being remembered with these tolling of the bells, not just here at connecticut but around the country as well and for a lot of people time simply stopped last friday and hasn't moved in a lot of ways. it is still 9:30, december 14th. for so many family is here and so many friends of those families that are sharing such anguish and such a sense of loss and senselessness at the whole situation last week just up the road here with those 20 young children, those six adults who lost their lives in such a brutal way last week. now, some churches around the country have decided to add a 27th bell toll and a 28th bell toll in memory of the family of the lanza family, nancy lanza, the mother of adam lanza, as well. but a lot of these folks, they know that time will eventua
connection? here's abc's ron clane orn. >> reporter: police say 24-year-old dawn nguyen supplied the guns used to ambush four firefighters on christmas eve, killing two of them. >> when nguyen bought the guns and said she was going to be the owner, she lied. >> reporter: authorities say she bought the guns for her neighbor, william spengler, back in 2010. that he even went to the gun store with her to pick them out. spengler, a convicted felon, could not legally purchase a firearm himself. she told police she bought the guns for her own protection and they had recently been stolen. what's not in dispute, spengler used those guns monday night, a 12-gauge shotgun and a bushmaster semiautomatic rifle while they were responding to a blaze he had set. >> firemen mike chiapperini was deceased at the scene. >> reporter: also killed, tomas kaczowka. spengler took his own life. tonight dawn nguyen is facing 10 years in prison for her alleged role in this tragedy. earlier this week, the children of webster, new york, lit candles to honor those firefighters who died. today's arrest shows how serious
, pst we also have ron reagan. you have the rye sense to go with this. why would they want to change the electoral count? why would they go against a block vote? why would they do that? i think the republicans have examined the playing field as it were and long and bitter experience, they have come to the conclusion that it's very difficult for them to win on a national level, unless they cheat. so they are going to cheat any way they can. e we saw it with the voter suppression efforts. let's just change how we count the votes and in states like pennsylvania, ohio, florida, states like that, these are the battleground states that we need to win and we're narrowly losing them now so let's get some of the electoral college and maybe it tips the election. >> i'm with ron before i even know i'm with him. it is about voter suppression. the counties that always go republican, they can't stand the fact that philadelphia has the population. they can't stand that fact that that effects the statewide results. >> it would benefit the republicans. a lot of minorities we like to cut them off. the
another fell into an icy lake. >> check this out. abc's ron claiborne tells us they were all trying to rescue one another. >> reporter: it began when one man accidently slipped off of a sheet of ice and into the lake. the people you see in this video are members of a sledding excursion that goes terribly wrong. >> we saw this guy coming across the ice really fast. it went from cheering to all of a sudden just an unbelievable amount of panic and chaos. >> reporter: one man goes to the ice's edge to help, but then he falls in. and then one would-be rescuer after another, tries to help, only to plunge in themselves, in a chain reaction. a crowd gathers on shore, screaming for help. >> call 911! >> reporter: five minutes after the first man went in, nearly a dozen people are now in the water, as others throw roping and enter tubes. you can hear them calling for someone to bring a rope. >> it was very hard to watch. it was gut wrenching. >> reporter: finally, nine minutes into this ordeal on ice, everyone somehow manages to scramble out. amazingly, this escapade on ice ended happily. eve
in knowledge, the stock rebounds. this is ron johnson, the guy who invented the genius bar. november 2012, this guy gives a sort of talks to the industry, everybody says i have a strategy, know what works, the stock tumbles, craters to $16 per share. bringing us to today. it is not confirmed, but maybe ron johnson is leaving the company. think about that for a moment of the stock is up on strong volume. just imaaine that. for the craziest reason of all going back a few years ago. melissa: what was the nauseous? >> missing the rally. lori: what is a good color tomorrow? sandracharles: what was the colf the year this year? melissa: tangerine? charles: of course. melissa: i am lucky. lori: i've never even heard that be described as a color. charles: tangerine. all right. lori: let's check the market with nicole watching wall street. nicole: watching green. looking at men's warehouse. a completely different picture. you see a down arrow decisively for men's warehouse. they came up with a number, but they have t had to cut their fur profit outlook. so with that we see the stock at a lower guid
are cnn contributor and democratic strategist maria cardona and republican strategist ron bonjin. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> ron, i'll start with you. reid and mcconnell, they really are the focus in the senate. in the house, it's speaker john boehner. i've got to ask you, is his job on the line if republicans balk at any deal that's reached? >> no, not at all. speaker boehner is extremely strong. his conferences support him and knows that he's been in a tough position trying to negotiate the fiscal deal with the president. he's been doing this for weeks, month, working on this deal. and you know, they gave it a shot. they tried their best. the house, you know, house republicans wouldn't go for it. and said, you know, it's up to the senate. and once -- if the senate passes something, the house now will consider it. so i -- i do think that the speaker is in a very strong position. and besides, this is a very difficult job. i don't see many republicans standing up and wanting to take speaker boehner on. not many other people could do the job like speaker bo
. then at 8:00 a.m. eastern, senator ron johnson and bob corker. president obama issued a warning on "meet the press." >> on midnight, december 31st, if congress doesn't act, then everybody's taxes go up. and for the average family, that could mean a loss of $2,000 in income. for the entire economy, that means consumers have a lot less money to make purchases, which means businesses are going to have a lot less customers, which means that they're less likely to hire and the whole economy could slow down at a time when the economy is starting to pick up. >> but after it was all said and done, leaders on the senate floor couldn't get anything done, at least not yet. >> there's no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. the sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. i want everyone to know, i'm willing to get this done, but i need a dance partner. >> this morning, we've been trying to come up with some counteroffice to my friend's proposal. we haven't been able to do that. i've had a number of conversations with the presid
that was a little bit more of a high-profile sunday than i had. >> bill: al good return. >> ron kirk, the u.s. trade ambassador. >> bill: a frequent golf partner with the president. >> we are learning more about what mitt romney has been up to including having a non-home-cooked thanksgiving dinner. he ordered in from boston market for the family saying there were too many kids running around to be cooking. >> peter: how the mighty have fallen. >> photographed pumping his gas since he has no entourage to the pump it for him. >> a sad story, nothing to do. >> peter: i don't feel that bad about it. hanging out with his car elevator taking rides. spiritists one of his many homes. >> the author of the hunger games trilogy is taking a break by writing a children's picture book an auto guy graphic piece about coping with her father's military service in vietnam as told through pictures. >> bill: all right, dan, thank you. all of the talk on the sunday shows yesterday and talk here in washington is still about negotiations to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. i
of privacy amendments, including one from democratic senator ron wyden of oregon. his amendment would have required the head of the country's spy agencies to tell congress when americans accidentally got spied on. right now, we have no way of knowing how often that happens. also, republican senator rand paul of kentucky, he wanted to force the government to get a warrant to read our e-mails and other electronic communications. for privacy advocates, these amends were the good news. the bad news, the democratic-controlled senate killed every single one of those amendments. killed them dead. they voted them all down. and today the once-controversial warrantless wiretapping bill was extended for another five years, and amazingly, almost nobody seems to have noticed. we used to fight about this tough. the whole reason fisa needs congressional reauthorization every few years is that we are supposed to reassess it, debate it, have a big conversation about it. but we were quiet this time. so let's have one here. joining us now, not to be quiet about it, is my friend julian sanchez, a research fel
's ron mott is in new york's times square where preparations are under way for tonight's big show. >> a good new year's eve to you, richard, here in times square. on 365 days of the year it is a pretty electric place with all of those lights. it will be especially so tonight. an estimated crowd of a million plus are expected to jam into times square tonight to watch the ball drop and usher in 2013. now securing all of those folks is a pretty serious business and that requires a lot of man power from the nypd. they won't give us specifics on the number of police that will be patrolling times square tonight but suffice it to say it is into the number of thousands. several thousands. not just here in times square but all around the city. nypd commissioner, police commissioner ray kelly, telling us they will have roof top patrols that will be mounted police on horseback, police on scooters. they will of course obviously be on the ground. there are 54 checkpoints for people to get through. this is a hearty bunch that will watch this ball drop tonight because once they get inside the pe
, executive director of american values institute, and ron bonjean a guy who knows how things get handled in the house of representatives. he was former communications director to house speaker hastert. the house, ron, is saying look we sent spending bills over to the senate and they have languished. so it is their turn. is that a workable strategy? i mean are americans going to say okay, the house has done its job? >> well, here, if we don't get a deal, even a small deal i think that americans will blame washington in general. you know the president tried to blame republicans in over the weekend, you know, on a sunday talk show and i don't think that's the way voters see it. i think they will say, you know what? democrats, republicans you're not getting anything done. we elected, we reelected president obama because he wanted him to go on a path forward but it's not happening. you, and i think if the markets crash, it will scare a lot of people and i think and taxes will go up. i think they will point at both sides. a big problem for both parties. jon: alexis, harry truman had the famous
. thanks. joining us for a closer look at the fiscal cliff negotiations, ron johnson, a member of the appropriations and budget committees in the senate. thank you for taking a break from a busy time to visit with us. >> thank you. >> i want to get a response from the comments to the president. he said that g.o.p. can't take yes for an answer. is there an offer that would have been acceptable to the house or the senate g.o.p.? >> not that i am aware. people throw the numbers around, like there is a deal, $1 revenue for $3 spending cuts, i have never seen those deals. senator harry reid should have made sure the senate passed a budget, sometime in the past 3 years and that would be reconciled with the house and you would have a framework, you know, a budget resolution that the committee -- the appropriations committee, the house ways & means committee, senate finance committee, they would have the instructions to work on the difficult problems npublic. have a public debate. we are down now to the 59th minute of 11th hour here and have you a couple of elected officials and unelec
senator bob kerry and a former staffer for pennsylvania governor ed rendell. ron is a former communications director to the house speaker, dennis hastert. good to see you both. >> good to sigh. >> gregg: donna, let's start with what the president was offering a. even democrats are criticizing him for demanding 150 billion in more spending. not less, including a $50 billion stimulus this next year. at a time when the focus perhaps should be on spending cuts, are those democrats right? >> well, i'm hearing many more democrats resonating with the message that the president is delivering and that message is that he ran on and got elected on the basis of more taxes for the most wealthy americans. i think that there is a real danger for republicans in not really hearing that message. i've been impressed by the number of republicans that have made positive indications that more revenue could be forth coming, even in the form of tax increases on the most wealthy americans. and i think that there is a little bit of danger i think for the republican party as they redefine themselves as
for the littoral valley. gene cernan, harrison jack schmitt and ron evans aboard. apollo 17 launched at night, and when they landed three days later, the sun was behind them. and so that particular launch trajectory put a fully formed beautifully lit earth in the window of the command module at a time when the astronauts really should have been too busy to look at it. here is how al reinert, who co-wrote the movie "apollo 13" describes what happened. quote, at five hours and a few minutes into the flight of apollo 17, one of the crewmen looked out the window. what he saw inspired him to grab the only camera that wasn't stowed and snap a picture. but whoever did it said nothing on the radio or to their crewmates about it. it is possible they did it instinctively, hardly ever thinking about it because none of them thought to mention it for weeks. reinert doesn't say which of the three took the picture, partly because nasa gives all three credit for it, and partly because none of them were supposed to be taking pictures right then. today nbc veteran space correspondent jay barbree got gene cerna
doing the no new taxes. also remember, ron redmond agreed to tax increases five times. this is a relatively recent occurs within the republican party. it was less economically oriented than it was in a temper political gain. they thought it was a way to gain political power rather than a reason to be economically. on this issue. you said he was a prominent republican. bruce today no longer considers himself to be a republican. he is outspoken about some of the economic craziness that has come from the party. he is what i would call an economic rationalist. host: stating the obvious on our twitter page. john boehner does not know how to herd cats. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a comment on the entitlement programs, spending. i believe social security and medicare programs do not need cutting. that is the elderly's safety net so that they do not end up destitute and without adequate medical care. other spending and entitlement, i believe, does need spending -- cutting. i will read you some numbers here. my numbers will be a little lacking b
him ron, he addressed her as margaret. >> i think they had quite a congenial, personal connection to each other. but these documents show that margaret thatcher, not always so full of praise for reagan. >> britain was at war for argentina, trying to hold onto islands in south atlantic. >> the united states couple down firmly on our side over the f k falklands. >> but in private there were tension. she wanted victory. mrs. thatcher said she was sure that the president would act in the same way if alaska was threatened. >> she writes, i think you are the only person who would understand the significance of what i'm trying to say. >> very personal. >> absolutely. >> the charm offensive did the trick and they remained friends long after he left power. margaret thatcher, 87 years old, spent christmas in the hospital ill. in the coming years, we'll likely see many more files which will shed a light on a time when she and president reagan were working together to spring an end to the cold war. fascinating stuff, t.j. >> thank you so much. >>> getting close to the bottom of the hour now.
that the economic impact of such a work stoppage is disaster. joining me is nbc's ron mott. for folks not following the story, how did we get here? >> reporter: folks haven't because they're paying attention to the fiscal cliff. this was lurking in the shadows and today moved the ball down the field for 30 days and may be talking about a strike again in 30 days but the big issue here was this so-called container royalty that the shipping companies pay to the union members who actually the guys and men and women offloading the big ships and the containers with things like tvs and shoes and clothing, they get a royalty based on the weight of all of those containers and the shipping companies are looking to try to control costs and increase their profits and the biggest sticking point. in the agreement that they have announced today for the 30-day extension they're saying they reached agreement in principle on the royalties which was the biggest stumbling block here so i think it's probably safe to say in 30 days to button up all the little issues here, minor issues, secondary issues and move forward
constructive talks, i believe those are the quotes. i have with me, ron brown, cnn contributor. ron, it's not how it works in washington, the straight up-or-down vote. >> it hasn't for a long time. there are two separate things here. there's the filibuster in the senate. but the biggest obstacles is the hastert rule in the house. it has always been hard to see bill that a majority of house republicans would vote for that would be acceptable to president obama. so in many ways, i felt for really months, the only two choices were going over the cliff or abandoning that hastert rule and john boehner being willing to bring up a bill that could be passed by democratic votes, not passed by the majority of republicans. sounded a little more optimistic on the relative gauge we have than over the last couple of weeks. >> they're now running out of venues to discuss this. they discussed it at the white house. tried to get a deal between speaker boehner and president obama. now it's gone to the senate. harry reid and mitch mcconnell will try to work something out. after that, they have run out of
in that beautiful, beautiful city. we're back here on "starting point." our team is ron brown, editorial director at "national journal." will cain from the blaze and the ghost of roland martin. do you need a note from the principal's office? somebody needs to explain to me what goes on with roland. he's never there. >> how do i get that freedom? >> the thing about roland, once he arrives, you won't know he was missing in the first place. alina chochl. >> count on me, ali velshi. good morning, a fight between world powers with agonized parents and children caught in the middle. russian president has banned u.s. families from adopting russian orphans. moscow says too many orphans have been abused by their new american parents. state department says it is willing to talk more about keeping the children safe. >>> fiscal cliff isn't the only threat to the u.s. economy. get a load of this. the container cliff. nearly 15,000 dockworkers from maryland to texas are threatening to strike, starting sunday, which could shut down more than a dozen key shipping ports and cripple commerce across the country. do
when she takes office next week. both chambers of congress are in today for ron finished legislative business including a possible deal on the fiscal cliff. the senate will be in at 1:00 eastern. though it's in the senate are scheduled for to o'clock p.m. eastern. according to "the washington post" perry began mitch mcconnell have set a deadline at 3:00 when they will be convening caucus meetings and that date members for a possible plan on taxes and spending. president obama was on "meet the press of" today saying the pressure is on congress to make a deal. he was optimistic, but he said that they cannot come to an agreement, he wants the senate majority leader to introduce legislation to make sure middle class taxes stay where they are. live coverage of the senate on c-span2 when the gavel in. the house out to woodcock with the boats as early as 6:00 looking at a number of legislation from veterans to foreign aid. you can watch the house live here on c-span. >> republican olympia snowe from maine is also retiring at the end of the 112th congress after three terms. next, her farewel
. the current says well we have isn't working. >> we had a lot of interviews with ron paul during his presidential run. we talked about gold. what do you make of getting rid of the dollar bill? do you care about that? >> you mean for a coin? >> yes. too expensive to print. >> that doesn't really matter. look, the bigger question we have a lot bigger fish to fry than whether we use a dollar bill or a coin for a $1 note. the bigger problem is the debasement that that represents. the dollar's down over the last four decades. since we went off gold in august of '71 we're down 82%. and to what end, right? is it helping us with respect to employment? obviously not. employment ratios are down. is it helping our financial system? no. the big three banks are in a world of trouble. they all three trade at less than book. so what exactly are we getting out of all this monetary debasement? the one thing we're getting is a runaway spending in washington, d.c. that's the effect of this unlimited print mag sheen that the federal reserve has. >> let's put some gold into the equation. gold as legal te
, ambassador ron kirk. democratic heavyweight, pro tension gubernatorial candidate. terry mcauliffe. and none other than william jefferson clinton playing. imagine the conversation out there on the links at andrews. >>> up next, we'll talk to the former senate majority leader who recently served as u.s. special envoy for middle east peace. was the leading peace negotiator for that region, former senator george mitchell will join us live on the other side of the break. we'll spend some time with him. >>> and record rainfall up and down the west coast. a live report from one northern california town, where the river is literally rushing through it. >>> money was the single most important factor in the election. >> a little bit later, former president jimmy carter said president obama's re-election win was his grandson's doing. we're dead serious. we'll tell you why, we're watching msnbc. the place for politics. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaq
like mike lee, ted cruz, marco rubio, ron johnson, pat toomey and rand paul. yeah, rand paul, the man who wants to abolish virtually every government agency and restore the gold standard. with jim demint gone, i guess you could look at rand paul as the de facto leader of the tea party senators. establishment republicans, they ought to be nervous. senator lindsey graham looked like he was in a state of shock on the senate floor today. >> i met with jim demint this morning, and i, to say i was stunned is an understatement. he has always been a friend. somebody i could count on. personally, we've really enjoyed our time together. and i just -- i was stunned this morning. >> the tea party has poisoned, i think, the well of the senate and the republican ideology. the gop is so far out of the mainstream right now you can hardly recognize them from ten years ago. a new quinnipiac poll shows americans support raising taxes on the wealthy 65% to 31%. republicans, i think they're in the wilderness. they face a changing demographical situation in this country they don't know how to deal with. th
the citizens of kentucky. benton, who ran ron paul's presidential campaign, says this was not directed specifically at ashley judd. is there benton preparing for a political campaign for a personal assassination. >> this is the way mcconnell has always run his campaigns. it's never to talk about what he's done for kentucky and what his vision for the future of kentucky is. it's always about making sure that whoever is running against him is unacceptable and spending whatever it takes to do that. so, you know, i think it would be interesting. ashley judd is a very, very popular figure, and you take on somebody with that -- who is that well-known and who is that popular, you go negative on them at your own peril. people don't like that. if they have a very good feeling about the candidate. so, you know, we fully expect he would run that kind of campaign against any opponent, but against ashley judd, i think that's problematic for mcconnell. >> i think it is. let me ask you about senator mcconnell's effort to filibuster his own idea on avoiding future fights over the fiscal cliff. how can
and ron johnson. senators, welcome back. >> hi, sean. >> hi, sean. >> sean: let's start with the meeting today. senator toomey, i'm told that the president wassed adamant n the meeting and didn't come off, are the original request was to keep tax rates at the same for the middle class but everybody above $250,000 going up. is that what you heard? >> i haven't heard about specific elements of the conversation, sean, i wasn't in the room. what i do understand from people who were there is that is sounds for the first time like the president is actually engaged and actually would prefer that we not go over the cliff. clear previously.en leer the fact that mitch mcconnell is vouched in discussions is encouraging if something can't pass the senate with a lot of republican votes it is not going to pass the house either. i think for the first time we see some constructive engainlment at least. >> sean: i heard a little different story than senator toomey and that is that a lot of what we are seeing told is really for show and the fielding is that the president made up his mind. he wants to go
kicked down on an important piece of this. spending. i can tell you earlier today republican ron lamar said the president is not doing enough. >> we need two words. presidential leadership on not just taxes rich people, we can tax all the rich people and cut their heads up and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both and the president has to lead it it and if he does i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> lamar alexander demanding presidential leadership but also making that point that it's not just about taxes. it's also about spending, harris. >> harris: you and ed talk about -- you and i talk about the fact that we don't want to put too fine a point on the fact that there is acting that goes along with politics. what about the president's tone today? it sounded like he was angry. >> oh, yeah. i think from reading his body language and hearing his words as i have over these many years. you have to put into context of frustration he is feeling going back to the debt ceiling debate a year and a half ago. two summers ago
there's any question about that. we know there's an element of the republican party, ron paul, rand paul being the most visible, who think the less government does, the better. now, in that vain, i've been struck. david wasserman at the "cook political report" crunched the numbers on this, that there are 234 house republicans. 15 of them, 15 represent districts that president obama carried in 2012. given that, and we were talking with kelly about the fact that this has to come through the house at some point, that republicans still control. is there any reason for, politically speaking -- >> absolutely, right. >> -- not good of the country speaking, but politically speaking, is there any reason for these guys to make a deal given that for 215 of them, the constituency they represent are mitt romney's? >> i think this is the problem. where most people follow a presidential election and don't realize what happens in each of the districts. what republicans have done a very good job of in the past ten years or past two driklecycles governor's races, where they've won all the governor's races
ron taking a hit at republicans who have taken so much flack for the fact there have been so few women republicans in leadership positions but really is part of the larger narrative. >> absolutely. this was a huge thing in the election, these demographic shifts that really helped reelect the president. i want to say one more thing on the point on taxes. if there's anything the president has a mandate for, raising taxes on the wealthy. the surveys say the majority of americans are in favor of this and i want to point out there is no evidence to show that higher taxes or an impediment to growth. look at the clinton years versus the bush years that came after and see that difference. >> rana, always great to have you here. chris thank you as well. >> thank you. >>> yet another sign that washington can't work together, though, a u.n. treaty that would globally ban discrimination against people with disabilities came up for a vote in the senate yesterday and it failed, even though it was modeled on u.s. law, the americans with disabilities act, and that's in spite of it already being ratifi
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